drug testing

[why all this]

hey guys,
my school recently had been told without 100% proof that a few students had been messin around with drugs and with the opposite sex. one of the faculty approached the group of students and tested them on the spot. im not going to say the end of what happend incase some one from my school reads this i dont want things going around but, i wanna hear wat everyone has to say bout the faculty just randomly pulling students out bassed on another students "hunch" or a rumor that is going around. u feel its right or u think students have the right to deny the request of the faculty. hit me back people.

[CptCatz]

whats the differance? if your not doing drugs, take the test, whats the worts that could happen? it would just come back negative. if you are doing drugs, well then it comes to being illegal in this country and its their fault for doing drugs in the first place. so really, i dont think its a big deal.

[why all this]

well cptcatz,
theres also the right to deny the fact of the test. the whole point of why i posted the question was to see if any one felt that students should deny the request not wether or not its against the law.

[Mr. X]

well isn't it illegal to force a minor to take the test? ...of course if you don't take the test they'll think you have something to hide...

[why all this]

yeah well of course there going to think u have somethin to hide if u deny their request but they also have a hunch that ur doing it because some one told them u were. so either way, wether or not they ask u to take it they will think u do. then comes into the picture of, if the school feels ur doing drugs u think that they would hold it against u and look at u as " less" of a person or some one that they should " watch out" for in a sense? wouldnt u think that the schools would then start to hold students against there will of choice?

[Mr. X]

which is why if you've got nothing to hide just take the damned test!! it feels good to prove the administration wrong, you know?

[sweetgirl12237]

ok first of it im 99.9 percent sure it is illegal to force a mionor to take a drug test without consent from their gardian unless the school has solid proof which int hat case most guardians are approached adn give the consent.
take the test... dont get me wrong or anythign im not condoning drugs at all but the one or 2 ppl i knwo who do smoke or wtvr make sure not to do it on school grounds or during school hours... dont be stupid and get caught.

[CptCatz]

why all this, whats the point to deny the test if its just going to come up negative anyways? unless that is of course you are doing drugs and if thats the case, that was your stupidity to get into in the first place.

[i got issues]

You are 100% right, sweetgirl. The only thing is that in the application and registration material, parent sign wavers enabling the school to do whatever they deem necessary if they feel you are hurting yourself, even in a confidential meeting. Therefore, you are also 100% wrogn. Also, handbooks for most schools say that "random or specific drugs tests will be administered". So therefore it isnt illegal and they can do it. Also, our schools are private schools and therefore, federal and state laws in relation to this kind are more lenient. In public schools now in illinois they are giving mandatory drug tests to random students and they are trying to make it mandatory for every student to take one every month. If the public schools can do it, where they are more strict, private schools can definitely

[sweetgirl12237]

ok i stand corrected. sorry guys

[why all this]

well cptcatz,
the reason why some students would deny the request to take the test if they havent smoked weed or taken any other drugs would be because were jews. that means that the moment something comes up about drugs or even anythin that people can gossip about it happens. alot of people dont like being talked about especially if there name is involved with drugs in school. thats why alot of people would try to avoid being conected in any way regardless if they would come up negative or positive.

now, for i got issues. when you say that because public schools are startin to give mandatory tests to random students then private schools should deff. be able too, private schools are not directly effected by school laws thats why there private schools. public schools have to go back a national rule system while private schools are able to set there own rules dependin on the school it self. so regardless of wether or not a public school does somthin it all comes down to what the school individually has set as their rules.
for sweetygirl, when you said that the few people you know that actually do drugs dont do it near school ever, i dont think any one does drugs near school durin school hrs. after school thats one thing but during school i dont know any person that would do such a stupid thing. the majority of people that do drugs on a consistent bassis dont do it for popularity. the ones that only do it at partys and such do it for that reason because there friends do it around them. when it comes tho to the regualrs they do it for the trip and experiance. if they didnt and they did it for popularity or for any other reason conecting to attention they wouldnt do it with one or two friends on vacation or wenever. they would do it when there around a group of people were it would stand out more.

[i got issues]

Actually, u just proved my point so thanx for the support. My point was that the private schools dont have to follow a set of rules and therefore can make their own about drug testing etc. Therefore it is not against the law. And furthermore ( i guess this is how i shouldve phrased it last time), if public schools, which have to follow a strict set of rules can do it, then private schools which dont, can definitely do it. So once against think you for defending my point

[nughuffer]

you cant make someone test w/o parental consent, but even so if you did smoke, unless you know how to beat a test youre gonna get caught.

[PrUnE]

why all this, whats the point to deny the test if its just going to come up negative anyways? unless that is of course you are doing drugs and if thats the case, that was your stupidity to get into in the first place.Well because this, A.Drugs only stay in ur system for 4 days B.lets say u take it, and it comes up negative, what can they saY? u just havent taken it in 4 days and they keep asking u to take one every week maybe twice a week b.You ate a poppy seed bagel, and it comes up positive, good-bye kicked from school D.A kid will say he saw u do it and then they make u take the test every week.

[CptCatz]

ok prune, take the test every week. if your not doing drugs, and week after week it comes up negative, then they will stop testing you eventually. normally, these days, the amount of poppy seeds on a bagel arent enough to set off a drug test. but as i have been saying, if youre not doing drugs, then theres nothing to hide....

[PrUnE]

ok prune, take the test every week. if your not doing drugs, and week after week it comes up negative, then they will stop testing you eventually. normally, these days, the amount of poppy seeds on a bagel arent enough to set off a drug test. but as i have been saying, if youre not doing drugs, then theres nothing to hide....lets say someone is doing drugs, the school wont help them if it comes up postive, they say they will but the help they give u, is a kick from school, what really should happen is to get the help you need and deserve.

[nicotineandbubblegum]

yeah i was smoking today and i have a doctor appointment this week & no one knows i smoke and i am so scared they will somehow find out

[CptCatz]

lets say someone is doing drugs, the school wont help them if it comes up postive, they say they will but the help they give u, is a kick from school, what really should happen is to get the help you need and deserve.
its ILLEGAL!!!!! they shouldnt be doing it in the first place!!!

[luckst4rs]

well if you were smoking pot i highly doubt if you have a routine checkup or even if you're sick the doctor will test you. they don't drug test you unless your taking a specific test for it.

[PrUnE]

yeah i was smoking today and i have a doctor appointment this week & no one knows i smoke and i am so scared they will somehow find outSugrats dont show up, only drugs.

[PrUnE]

its ILLEGAL!!!!! they shouldnt be doing it in the first place!!!I guess, but what about peer puressure? that could of gotten ppl into it, so they should get help shouldnt they?

[The Nameless One]

Peer preassure, how i hate that term. I hate peer preassure, everything bad comes down to peer preassue in the end. People who are trying to fit in and be "cool" get dragged in by their peers, sometimes it's good, usually it's bad. Just b/c ur peers are doing it doesn't make it right, and if you don't have the streignth to say no, i pitty you, I really do.

The point is peer preassure is no excuse for doing drugs, you should have said no, it's that simple. It is how many get sucked into drugs, and it's not alright and forgivable, they should have been the voice of reason in a crown of morons who are throwing away their lives. If you can't say no you are just as guilty as the fool who started the "fad" in the first place.

People have every right to test for drugs, why? because of peer preassure. If they catch the people who are on drugs and get them out of the way and punnished, there will be nobody to preassure the fools who give in to peer preassure no matter how drastic the consequences.

[PrUnE]

Peer preassure, how i hate that term. I hate peer preassure, everything bad comes down to peer preassue in the end. People who are trying to fit in and be "cool" get dragged in by their peers, sometimes it's good, usually it's bad. Just b/c ur peers are doing it doesn't make it right, and if you don't have the streignth to say no, i pitty you, I really do.

The point is peer preassure is no excuse for doing drugs, you should have said no, it's that simple. It is how many get sucked into drugs, and it's not alright and forgivable, they should have been the voice of reason in a crown of morons who are throwing away their lives. If you can't say no you are just as guilty as the fool who started the "fad" in the first place.

People have every right to test for drugs, why? because of peer preassure. If they catch the people who are on drugs and get them out of the way and punnished, there will be nobody to preassure the fools who give in to peer preassure no matter how drastic the consequences.usally they dont catch the guy gettin everyone in peer pressure to tell u the truth they catch the guys who got sucked in, u really think the ppl who are the first ones to bring it are stupid enough to get themselevs caught, the kids in my school who started the drugs the school has no idea who they are and never will.

[PrUnE]

Peer preassure, how i hate that term. I hate peer preassure, everything bad comes down to peer preassue in the end. People who are trying to fit in and be "cool" get dragged in by their peers, sometimes it's good, usually it's bad. Just b/c ur peers are doing it doesn't make it right, and if you don't have the streignth to say no, i pitty you, I really do.

The point is peer preassure is no excuse for doing drugs, you should have said no, it's that simple. It is how many get sucked into drugs, and it's not alright and forgivable, they should have been the voice of reason in a crown of morons who are throwing away their lives. If you can't say no you are just as guilty as the fool who started the "fad" in the first place.

People have every right to test for drugs, why? because of peer preassure. If they catch the people who are on drugs and get them out of the way and punnished, there will be nobody to preassure the fools who give in to peer preassure no matter how drastic the consequences.u think there gonna catch the guys who started the peer preassure? of course not, the kids who bring in the drugs arent stupid enough to get themselevs caught, the school usally catchs the kids who have been sucked in, my school has no idea which kids brought in the drugs and who does it the most and never will.

[luckst4rs]

you want to send everyone to rehab? your gonna catch a kid who smoked once or twice and then they go to rehab because of random drug testing? i dont understand how everyone will be "helped" by these drug tests. kids smoke weed DURING school and everyone is so freaking oblivious or they just dont care. so tell me how are these "fools who give in to peer pressure" are gonna get punished. i sure would like to know the right way to help...

[PrUnE]

you want to send everyone to rehab? your gonna catch a kid who smoked once or twice and then they go to rehab because of random drug testing? i dont understand how everyone will be "helped" by these drug tests. kids smoke weed DURING school and everyone is so freaking oblivious or they just dont care. so tell me how are these "fools who give in to peer pressure" are gonna get punished. i sure would like to know the right way to help...never said rehab was wrong dude

[The Nameless One]

Smoking is bad, smoking is wrong ans the kids who are doing it need help no matter if they;re the ones who started it or the ones who got sucked in. No matter what there is a problem that they obviously need help sorting out. For the ones's who strted it it's whatever caused them to do it, for the ones who got sucked in they need self confidence and work on saying no. if they did it volentarily they need therapy and rehab anyway. Rehab won't hurt it can only help.