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02-25-2010, 08:06 PM
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i dont like the concept of ghosts very much. my christian friends say theres no such thing as ghosts, only demons which just makes things wayyy worse.
So just now my sister says she was reading before dinner and her computer woke up by itself and started playing the video she had paused. after dinner she was sitting in her room again and books fell off her shelf. My sisters are joking around about communicating with a ghost and im like no way guys, this isnt funny. i dont want anything going on in my house but idk if i even believe in that stuff. lets just say i believe enough to let it bother me.
what do u guys think? experiances? opinions?
ty :[
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02-26-2010, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by luv2dayx3
i dont like the concept of ghosts very much. my christian friends say theres no such thing as ghosts, only demons which just makes things wayyy worse.
So just now my sister says she was reading before dinner and her computer woke up by itself and started playing the video she had paused. after dinner she was sitting in her room again and books fell off her shelf. My sisters are joking around about communicating with a ghost and im like no way guys, this isnt funny. i dont want anything going on in my house but idk if i even believe in that stuff. lets just say i believe enough to let it bother me.
what do u guys think? experiances? opinions?
ty :[
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I've never had an experience of a ghost or of paranormal activity. I don't necessarily believe in it, but I don't NOT believe, either.
I like the idea of spirits staying with us and protecting us, though.
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02-27-2010, 01:11 AM
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Its just a glich in the matrix.
I can see ghosts being real, I have seen no proof that they are not real.
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02-27-2010, 11:17 AM
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us talking about "ghosts" is equivalent to a bunch of 5-year-olds talking about the science behind building a nuclear bomb detonator on jupiter taking into account the high gravity pull, and the political ramifications behind that concerning west indo-asian liberals and the antarcican polar recycling budget and how that may manifest the colloquial discretionary opinion of the green thread association in the near future.
now that i randomly whipped out the most random big words i could think of, i think my point has been made. we being teenagers are completely unqualified to talk about the deepest mystical secrets of the universe. especially being american. like when i hear "ghost" i think of casper. and as cute as he is he has nothing to do with "ghosts," if anything like that exists. point is- this is not a question for thelockers, unless the administrators, who might have some education in the area, answer. its not an opinion question. its like asking whether there is a planet called vingelberg or not. its not like if i believe in ghosts they exist and if i dont believe in them they dont. this question is way over our heads.
if you want an answer, try to find a book written by a RELIABLE rabbi. not some guy trying to sell his books- a guy who writes to actually convey the truth.
In my opinion, the only people who are less qualified to answer this question than us are your christian friends. The way I see it, they literally have no idea what they are talking about and you cannot trust them for anythign when searching for truth - they believe that G-d can make a woman pregnant, give birth, and have that baby being G-d in human form, even when he himself repeatedly warns his followers that he is not G-d. i could go on about how I think christianity is illogical on every level, but thats not the topic at hand, and there are plenty of articles on that.
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02-28-2010, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cooldudeman789
us talking about "ghosts" is equivalent to a bunch of 5-year-olds talking about the science behind building a nuclear bomb detonator on jupiter taking into account the high gravity pull, and the political ramifications behind that concerning west indo-asian liberals and the antarcican polar recycling budget and how that may manifest the colloquial discretionary opinion of the green thread association in the near future.
now that i randomly whipped out the most random big words i could think of, i think my point has been made. we being teenagers are completely unqualified to talk about the deepest mystical secrets of the universe. especially being american. like when i hear "ghost" i think of casper. and as cute as he is he has nothing to do with "ghosts," if anything like that exists. point is- this is not a question for thelockers, unless the administrators, who might have some education in the area, answer. its not an opinion question. its like asking whether there is a planet called vingelberg or not. its not like if i believe in ghosts they exist and if i dont believe in them they dont. this question is way over our heads.
if you want an answer, try to find a book written by a RELIABLE rabbi. not some guy trying to sell his books- a guy who writes to actually convey the truth.
In my opinion, the only people who are less qualified to answer this question than us are your christian friends. The way I see it, they literally have no idea what they are talking about and you cannot trust them for anythign when searching for truth - they believe that G-d can make a woman pregnant, give birth, and have that baby being G-d in human form, even when he himself repeatedly warns his followers that he is not G-d. i could go on about how I think christianity is illogical on every level, but thats not the topic at hand, and there are plenty of articles on that.
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hey i appreciate the response and all but i think everyones opinion has some value to it and everyones had different experiances. assuming that we have all the answers because were jewish doesnt seem logical to me. thanks tho, ill keep my mind open to different ideas and look into what a rabbi might hav to say about it.
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03-01-2010, 03:25 PM
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i'm just saying that with this question, while we are each entitled to our opinions, there is only one correct opinion. there is an objective truth (and we just dont know it). this is unlike an opinion question of, for example, what a person should do in a particular situation. when you ask opinion questions, you take the answer(s) you like best and think are most useful and adhere to it. but with a question like this even if you really like an answer it can be completely and objectively false.
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03-01-2010, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cooldudeman789
us talking about "ghosts" is equivalent to a bunch of 5-year-olds talking about the science behind building a nuclear bomb detonator on jupiter taking into account the high gravity pull, and the political ramifications behind that concerning west indo-asian liberals and the antarcican polar recycling budget and how that may manifest the colloquial discretionary opinion of the green thread association in the near future.
now that i randomly whipped out the most random big words i could think of, i think my point has been made. we being teenagers are completely unqualified to talk about the deepest mystical secrets of the universe. especially being american. like when i hear "ghost" i think of casper. and as cute as he is he has nothing to do with "ghosts," if anything like that exists. point is- this is not a question for thelockers, unless the administrators, who might have some education in the area, answer. its not an opinion question. its like asking whether there is a planet called vingelberg or not. its not like if i believe in ghosts they exist and if i dont believe in them they dont. this question is way over our heads.
if you want an answer, try to find a book written by a RELIABLE rabbi. not some guy trying to sell his books- a guy who writes to actually convey the truth.
In my opinion, the only people who are less qualified to answer this question than us are your christian friends. The way I see it, they literally have no idea what they are talking about and you cannot trust them for anythign when searching for truth - they believe that G-d can make a woman pregnant, give birth, and have that baby being G-d in human form, even when he himself repeatedly warns his followers that he is not G-d. i could go on about how I think christianity is illogical on every level, but thats not the topic at hand, and there are plenty of articles on that.
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I was just so offended by your response. I found this to be a rude post, especially the last paragraph, and the entire reason why I don't believe in organized religion.
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03-02-2010, 06:46 AM
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food for thought
i would like to first address the initial post and then dance hall drug's most recent one...
if you're looking for a scientific take on the supernatural ( and i think you're not) you quickly run into a dead end.
if you're looking for a social take on the supernatural (and i hope you're not) it seems to me modern society views the supernatural as "i'll believe when i see it" which i believe is truly arrogant (kudos dhd, spot on the initial response)
if you're looking for a religious perspective (and i hope you are at least considering it, the matter is complicated) jewish texts mention ghost-type anomalies on several occasions however there are many who right these off as metaphor (namely Maimonides) and mention of said ghost-like anomalies has drastically decreased since the mid-1700s or so.
i wouldn't worry at all about such things, there are far more pressing matters that require a great deal of consideration.
in regards to d.h.d., (if may abbreviate,) i would like to inquire why would one teenagers view on christianity cause you to dislike organized religion, if you believe that a religion is defined by its members rather than its ideals i must avidly disagree. beyond that if your point of contention is that people's religion's should not a be a cause of strife (or something along those lines) i believe religion is one of those things that is worth arguing over, i thought some of cooldudeman's point were formulated incorrectly however he is merely expressing why he doesn't think it wise to take advice from certain people, and on that point i agree with him.
A great man once told me "the most important thing is that you do what you think is right, the next most important thing is that you do what i think is right" - because he wouldn't be doing it if he didn't think it was right.
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03-02-2010, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lyrics
in regards to d.h.d., (if may abbreviate,) i would like to inquire why would one teenagers view on christianity cause you to dislike organized religion, if you believe that a religion is defined by its members rather than its ideals i must avidly disagree. beyond that if your point of contention is that people's religion's should not a be a cause of strife (or something along those lines) i believe religion is one of those things that is worth arguing over, i thought some of cooldudeman's point were formulated incorrectly however he is merely expressing why he doesn't think it wise to take advice from certain people, and on that point i agree with him.
A great man once told me "the most important thing is that you do what you think is right, the next most important thing is that you do what i think is right" - because he wouldn't be doing it if he didn't think it was right.
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you and i both know that this is not just one teenagers view on christianity. lots of people think this way, not just one.
and it's not the entire reason why i don't believe in organized religion, this is from years of judgment (my synagogue and hillel don't accept me since my dad is christian) and seeing arguments start over religion. i firmly believe that 90% of the world's problems would be solved if religion didn't exist. my (not very religious) friend said some really terrible things yesterday because of her religion and if people who claim to not be religious are influenced in a negative way from religion, then there is a problem.
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03-02-2010, 03:31 PM
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food for thought
let me present you with a riddle that i think will make my point, and if not its a really cool riddle...
which of these things doesn't belong: a day, a week, a month, or a year
most people say day because its a singular unit that the other three are comprised of, but then what about hour, minute, second etc. the answer is a week because it is the only one that has no physical manifestation. you say that 90% of the world's problems are due to religion but think how much of society is based in religious beliefs, i firmly believe morality and religion are deeply intertwined. and i know your statistic was an exaggeration but can you really blame hunger, poverty, greed, and materialism on religion if anything religion at least the one that i align myself with has laws to stop all of these things.
its quite clear to me from modern western society that the further we get from religion the more lost we become. Religion, judaism in particular, is centered around community, family, and societal harmony. i think all those things are lacking in American society, and religion, any religion that promotes these values would greatly improve our society.
In regards to your personal situation, i certainly do not intend to be offensive, you are Halachicly Jewish if your mother is Jewish, i'm sure you know this, and if you have not been accepted in the past i'm truly sorry but know that the people who did not accept you were not doing so based on a religious foundation. I admit that every so often people use religion to promote hate but the overwhelming majority of the time religion has an extremely positive influence.
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