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03-11-2010, 10:35 AM
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I believe that while the specifics of a person's moral code comes from their life experiences, a huge part of human morality is innate. If it weren't, there would be no such thing as an atheist who is also a good person, and I think we can all agree that being an atheist does not automatically make one morally depraved.
The findings of cognitive neuroscientists, along with the fact that I know many morally intact atheists, is where I draw my beliefs from (if you feel like reading it, this was fascinating: http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/...essChapter.pdf)
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03-12-2010, 08:20 AM
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discussion, well disagreements like this are usually exacerbated by a mere conflict in the definition of a term. Morality, i suppose I'm looking at morality as a sense of responsibility for one's self, one's family, community, nation, and all of humanity. To improve each of these concentric circles' state of existance, for me the ultimate improvement of life is purpose and meaning, and thus any form of morality which exists may present itself as improving society, and it may be but it is not real true morality if it does not provide meaning and purpose to the world, and truest form of providing meaning and purpose to the world, the whole world mind you, is the Torah.
so that's my definition, if yours is different we are bound to disagree, which is fine, cooldudeman, i think this answers your blatant attack on personal view  (that was a joke, its sometimes hard to convey them in writing, and to be honest i'm not that funny) 
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03-13-2010, 01:23 PM
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My definition of morality is doing what is right, even if it's not easy. Torah is not the only thing in the world that gives meaning to peoples' lives. What gives meaning to my life is the idea that I am living my life to the fullest, and have chosen a path that will lead me to be able to help people and try to right the wrongs that I see in the world. To shine light in dark places and try to fix what plagues them. I am not on this path because of religion, but because I feel it's right (I subscribe to empathic civilization philosophy, which advocates global consciousness).
Besides, can't meaning come from the fulfillment of just knowing you've done something to improve the world? For me, knowing I've made a difference, or at least tried, is enough.
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04-03-2010, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dance hall drug.
I'm taking a religion/philosophy class right now and the other day we talked about this exact issue (in Plato). Does God determine what is good (right/wrong) or is Good an even higher absolute than God. I think that the greater good/ultimate good is first, God (if there is one) second. Which means that God answers to Good, he doesn't determine what is good and what isn't.
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I see NO way good can be higher than G-d?
We need EVIL to understand what good is, With out evil we could not understand good.
I can not see something that needs evil in any way shape or form as higher then G-d!
We call him the MOST HIGH for a reason!
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04-04-2010, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MtJew
I see NO way good can be higher than G-d?
We need EVIL to understand what good is, With out evil we could not understand good.
I can not see something that needs evil in any way shape or form as higher then G-d!
We call him the MOST HIGH for a reason!
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That depends on what you think evil is. For Maimonides and Augustine, evil is simply a decay of good. Metaphysically, we are ultimately good, and when that good decays, we have evil (ie. an arm is good, but when it's broken, there is a lack of good, it's not the way it is intended to be). Moral evil is when (according to Maimonides, a Jewish scholar) we are simply ignorant of what is good.
Why would God create evil? Isn't he supposed to be completely good, as is everything he creates, since it comes from him..
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